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We seem them represented here by Shard of the Void Dragon and Shard of the Nightbringer

Any time this comes up, it's going to be a very subjective judgement call from that tournament's head judge, different head judges are going to rule different ways, there's going to be lots of inconsistency between tournaments, and there's nothing to be done about it unless Wizards deigns to clarify their rules

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